Hereditary inomiririra chimiro chinotungamira kutanga kwe Ari Aster, uyo akambotungamira mafirimu mapfupi matanhatu. Kubvira Hereditary yakatanga kuratidzwa kuSundance Film Festival muna Ndira 2018, vatsoropodzi vaenzanisa Hereditary kumifananidzo yemifananidzo yakaita Rosemary's Baby uye kupenya ndokutumidza Aster mutengesi.

Iyi inotevera hurukuro naAster yakaitwa, kuburikidza neemail, muvhiki yekutanga yaKubvumbi.  Hereditary inovhura mumitambo muna Chikumi 8.

DG: Chii chaive chimiro, kufemerwa, Heredhi, uye chii chakakoshesa zita remufirimu?

AA: Ini ndaida kuita kufungisisa kwakakomba pamusoro pekushungurudzika uye kushungurudzika izvo zvinodzikira zvishoma nezvishoma kuva husiku - nzira iyo hupenyu hunogona kunzwa senge husiku husiku panouya njodzi. Iko kukosha kwechokwadi kwemusoro wenyaya hakufanirwe kwayedza kumuoni kusvika kupera kwemufirimu, asi zvinokwana kutaura izvozvo Hereditary iri kunetseka zvakanyanya nekunyengera kwezvisungo zvemhuri. Mukufamba kwefirimu, zvinowedzera kujekesa kuti mhuri iyi haina rusununguko rwekusununguka; ramangwana ravo rakapfuudzwa kwavari, inhaka yavasina tariro yekuzunza.

DG: Ndeapi madingindira awaida kuongorora nefirimu iri?

AA: Kune akawanda mafirimu nezve njodzi inounza vanhu pamwe nekusimbisa zvisungo. Ini ndaida kugadzira firimu nezvenzira dzese dzinoshungurudza dzinogona kubvarura vanhu uye kushungurudzika kunogona kushandura munhu zvachose - uye kwete kuti zvive nani! Nhaka ndeyeti buffet yezviitiko zvakaipisisa zvinotungamira kumagumo, asina tariro. Zvino ini ndinongoda kuongorora kuti sei ndaida kuita zvese izvo.

DG: Ndeipi yaive stylistic, yekuona zano iyo iwe neako cinematographer makakurukura pamberi pekutanga kwekutora mifananidzo, uye ungatsanangure sei kutaridzika uye matauriro efirimu?

AA: Zvakanaka, ndanga ndichishanda neDP yangu, Pawel Pogorzelski, kubvira pandakasangana naye kuAFI, uye takagadzira shorthand inoshamisa. Isu tinotaura mutauro mumwe chete, kusvika padanho rekuti tinogumbukirana nemumwe panguva yekusawirirana kana kusanzwisisana. Maitiro andinoshanda - uye ndine chokwadi chekuti pane nzira dziri nani dzekushanda - ndezvekuti ini ndinogara ndichitanga nekunyora runyorwa rweapfuti, uye handitaure nemunhu chero muvashandi kusvikira iro runyorwa rwepfuti rwazadziswa. Kubva ipapo, mibvunzo yekuurayiwa, kuvhenekerwa, dhizaini dhizaini, nezvimwe, inova yepakati. Asi kutanga, wese mukuru wedhipatimendi anoda kukwanisa kuona iyo firimu mumisoro yavo. Mune ino kesi, iyo kamera ichave yakanyorova kwazvo, yakazvimiririra, yekucherechedza - inopindira. Matauriro acho akaoma kutaura… asi ndinogona kutaura kuti ndaiwanzo kuudza vashandi kuti firimu rinofanira kunzwa rakaipa. Tiri nemhuri, uye takabatana navo mukusaziva kwedu izvo zviri kunyatso kuitika, asi panofanirawo kuve nepfungwa yekuti tiri kuvatarisa kubva kune vanoziva zvakanyanya, vane hutsinye maonero.

DG: Ndedzipi mhando dzemaitiro iwe dzawakaunza kune ino firimu, uye iwe unofunga chii vateereri vanozowana chinonyanya kukurudzira uye kutya pamusoro peiyi firimu?

AA: Zvaive zvakakosha kwandiri kuti isu tiende kumutambo wemhuri tisati taenda kune zvinotyisa zvinhu. Iyo firimu yaida kumira yega sedambudziko remumba risati rashanda semuvhi unotyisa. Nekudaro, mazhinji mareferenzi andakapa kune vashandi haana kutya mafirimu. Mike Leigh aive mumwe - kunyanya Zvakavanzika uye Nhema uye Zvese kana Hapana. Takataurawo zvakakomba pamusoro Ice Dutu uye Mumubhedha, iyo inodzoserwa pamaminetsi makumi matatu emamaki ayo asina kumbosiyana neiyo iri muHeredhi. Bergman nderimwe remagamba angu, uye Kuchema uye Kuzevezera chinhu chandaive ndichifunga nezvacho, pamwe neAumnumn Sonata nenzira iyo yaibata nehukama hwaamai nemwanasikana. Iwo mafirimu anotyisa atakakurukura aive mazhinji kubva kuma30s uye 60s. Rosemary's Baby raive dombo rekubata riri pachena. Usatarise Izvozvi hombe. Nicholas Roeg, kazhinji, aive akakura kwandiri. Ndinoda zvaJack Clayton Vasina mhosva. Uyezve pane mafirimu makuru ekuJapan anotyisa - Ugetsu, Onibaba, Humambo hwekushushikana, Kwaidan, kuroneko...

DG: Ungatsanangura sei simba remhuri riripo mukati memhuri yekwaGraham patinotanga kusangana navo mufirimu, uye ungatsanangura sei rwendo rwavanotora mukati mese firimu?

AA: VaGraham vakatove voga kubva kune mumwe nemumwe patinosangana navo. Mhepo yaida kukora ine nhoroondo yakazara, isingazivikanwe. Kubva ipapo, zvinhu zvinoitika zvinongoshandira kuvaparadzanisa, uye panopera firimu, nhengo yega yega yemhuri inova mutorwa zvachose - kana zvisiri kuita kunge vari vaviri - kune mumwe. Kuti utaure chinyorwa chaFreud pane zvemashiripiti, imba iri Hereditary inova isina kutsarukana yakafanana.

DG: Ungatsanangura sei hunhu hwehuipi hunotyisa hunotambudza mhuri yaGraham mufirimu, uye vanoita sei kune izvi?

AA: Kune zvakawanda zvine chepfu zvinokanganisa pakutamba. Mhosva, chigumbu, mhosva, kusavimba ... uyezve pane dhimoni, futi.

DG: Ungatsanangura sei hunhu hwehukama huripo, muhupenyu uye murufu, pakati paCharlie naambuya vake, Ellen?

AA: Kutsanangura izvi kunenge kuri kutengesa zvimwe zvakanaka zvinoratidzwa mufirimu. Ini ndicharega kunzvenga!

DG: Nderipi dambudziko rakakura rawakatarisana naro panguva yekutora mafirimu

AA: Isu takavaka mukati mese meimba padanho rine mutsindo. Zvese zviri mukati meimba zvakagadzirwa uye zvakavakwa kubva pakutanga. Kunze kweizvi, isu takave nerimwe dambudziko rekuwedzera rekugadzira mufananidzo mudiki weimba (pakati pemamwe madiki mashoma). Izvi zvaireva kuti isu taida kugadzira zvese zveimba mushe musati mapfura. Izvo hazvireve chete kuti isu taifanirwa kusarudza pamarongerwo eimba uye kukura kwemakamuri, chinova chinhu chiri nyore kwazvo kuti miniaturist ataure; zvaireva kuti isu taifanirwa kuita sarudzo dzakazvipira zvine chekuita nezvekupfeka kwakatemwa kare kwazvo. Saka, isu taida kuziva kuti iyo fanicha ichave iri, ndeipi Wallpaper ingave iri, ndezvipi zvirimwa zvataizove nazvo mune yega yega kamuri, ndeapi madhirowa atinenge tichiisa pamusoro pehwindo, zvichingodaro zvichingodaro. Takapfura zvese zvine chekuita nedzimba dzemadhora muvhiki rekupedzisira rekugadzirwa, uye yaive yakasimba zvekuti taive nemadhizaini anotumirwa mukati iwo iwo mazuva avakange vachipfurwa.

DG: Chii chakaunzwa neUtah, nzvimbo yako yekutora mafirimu, iyo yainge yakasarudzika kubva kune dzimwe nzvimbo dzaungave wakasarudza, uye ungatsanangura sei kumashure, mamiriro, kweiyo firimu?

AA: Zvakanaka, isu pakutanga takaenda kuUtah nekuti takakwanisa kuwana zvakawanda kubva mubhajeti yedu uko. Zvakare, chirongwa chekutanga chaive chekugadzira bhaisikopo remuchando uye kuti imba igozara nechando. Izvo zvakati, kuronga kwaida kuti tifure muzhizha, uye ini pakupedzisira ndaisagona kunge ndakafara nemavara akapiwa neUtah. Ini ikozvino handikwanise kufungidzira iyo firimu yakatarisa neimwe nzira. Ini ndinodawo kutaura kuti tanga tine vashandi vasinganzwisisike pane ino firimu - kubva kudhipatimendi rezvehunyanzvi kuenda kudhipatimendi remakamera, pakanga pasina kana chimwe chete chisina kusimba chinongedzo. Ndinokurudzira Utah kune chero munhu anotarisa kuti aite firimu.

DG: Ndechipi chiitiko chako chaunofarira kana kuteedzana mufirimu?

AA: Zvakanaka, mutariro yekudzivirira mupambi uye panjodzi yekunyanyisa kunyengedza: kune montage yakareba yaToni Collette achichema asingadzoreke (mukati mevhiki), uye ndinofara zvikuru nezvakaitika.

DG: Pandakaverenga nezvehunhu hwaAnn Dowd, Joan, ndakabva ndafunga Billie Whitelaw saMai Baylock mu Iyo Omen. Ungatsanangura sei basa raJoan mufirimu?

AA: Hunhu hwake huri mutsika iyoyo. Nezve izvo zvinhu, iye zvakare ari mutsika yemavara senge maCastevets mukati Rosemary's Baby kana bofu raHilary Mason rakajeka mukati Usatarise Izvozvi. Iyo inokonzeresa kubva mukusava netarisiro kwekusavimbika kwemuvakidzani anozvipira uyo anoita kunge ane zvaunofarira iwe pamoyo. Zviri nyore, iye anouyawo kubva patsika yemitambo yemhuri yevakanaka vekunze vanopinda kuti vape mukana kune imwe nhengo yakasarudzika yeyunoshanda isina chinhu. Judd Hirsch muvanhuwo zvavo mumwe muenzaniso.

DG: Tichifunga nezvekufadza kwakanaka kwakaitwa nefirimu kusvika parizvino, zvinova zvinoshamisa kuti firimu risati ratomboburitswa zviri pamutemo, zvinoita kunge firimu ratowana chimiro chekare nyika zhinji dzisati dzave mukana wekuzviona. Chii chawakasangana nacho, maererano nekuteerera kwevateereri, panguva yekuratidzwa kwawakapinda kusvika pari zvino, uye ungatsanangure sei mhinduro yawakawana mufirimu kusvika parizvino?

AA: Maitikiro acho ave achifadza. Kutaura chokwadi, ini pakutanga ndaive ndangorerukirwa kuti vanhu havana kufunga kuti yaive hofori yechi shit. Asi iwe unodzidza nekukasira kuti chinhu chakasarudzika chinogona kuenzana, kunyangwe bhaisikopo rako rinotyisa riri kushanda kana kwete. Zvakafanana nekuita mutambo. Chero vanhu vari kuseka kana ivo vasiri. Asi ini ndinogona kutaura kuti hapana kunzwa senge kuve nevateereri pamwe chete vanopopota pane chimwe chinhu chawakaita. Iyo yakakura dopamine yakakwira.

DG: Sezvo iri rako rekutanga firimu, ungatsanangura sei rwendo rwawakatora makore gumi apfuura?

AA: Ndanga ndichinyora mascreen kubva ini ndaive nemakore gumi nemaviri. Ndakaenda kuchikoro chemafirimu paKoreji yeSanta Fe ndisati ndadzidza Kutungamira kuAmerican Film Institute. Mushure mekupedza kudzidza AFI, ndakaita mafirimu mapfupi, uye nenguva yandakazosvika pakunyora Hereditary, Ini ndaive nemamwe gumi maficha ezvinyorwa akagadzirira kuenda (maviri acho aive munzira yekugadzirwa kare Hereditary). Wanga uri mugwagwa wakareba, asi ini ndingadai ndisina kukomborerwa nezviwanikwa zvihombe kana vabatsiri vane simba kupfuura avo varipo Hereditary. Ini ndinozviti ndiri nerombo rakanaka.

DG: Kune mumwe munhu asati aona chero basa rako rapfuura, ako mafirimu mafupi, iwe ungati chii chiratidzo chako, siginecha yako, semutungamiriri, uye chii chinozivisa Hereditary sekuve Ari Aster firimu?

AA: Ndinoyeuka mukuru mudzidzisi wangu kuAFI, Peter Markham, achiti kugadzira mafirimu ndiko (kana kunofanirwa kuve) kuita misikanzwa. Ndinobvumirana nemoyo wose nemanzwiro iwayo. Nhaka uye ese mafirimu angu mapfupi (uye angangoita ese emafirimu andinoda kugadzira kubva pano) ane tariro mipiro kune iyo tsika yekuita misikanzwa.

DG: Sei uchifunga Hereditary inomira yakaparadzana neLegion yemamwe mafirimu emhando mumusika?

AA: Handifunge kuti ndiyo nzvimbo yangu yekutaura kune izvo. Ndichati kana iyo firimu ichishanda, ndinotenda imhaka yekuti ndakazviita basa rangu kugara ndichikudza vanhu pamberi pechimwe chinhu. Zvakare, pane huwandu hwerupo hwakazara-hwepamberi hupombwe hwandakaita chokwadi chekuisa.

DG: Paunotarisa kumashure pane yese chiitiko chekugadzira Hereditary, pane chiyeuchidzo chimwe chinoratidzika kunge chiri kunyanya kutaura nezvechiitiko ichi chose kwauri, kana iwe ukatarisa kumashure parwendo iwe rwawatora nefirimu?

AA: Handikwanise kufunga nezveyeuko imwe kunyanya. Ini ndinogona kutaura kuti paive nenguva dzinoverengeka panguva yekugadzira umo ini ndakangoerekana ndarangarira kuti ndanga ndichigadzira bhaisikopo. Izvo zvagara zviri zviroto zvangu. Saka ini ndaizoedza kuyeuka kuti ndinzwe tsoka dzangu pasi uye ndozvikoshesa izvo. Idzo dzaive nguva dzakanakisa.